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NDLR USB not recognized by iConnectivity MIDI4+ host - 0xF0 - 11-18-2020 Hello there, just got my brand new NDLR and was very excited to connect it to my iConnectivity MIDI 4+ so I can integrate it into the studio. Sadly, it's not recognized. This is an issue for me as I am entirely out of DIN ports to run it through. I saw the thread on the MioXL not working either but I figured I'd start a new one since I didn't want this additional incompatibility to get lost in the shuffle. RE: NDLR USB not recognized by iConnectivity MIDI4+ host - Darryl - 11-20-2020 We were just contacted by iConnectivity to see if there's anything we can do about working in their host ports. Its been this way for a couple of years, so I wouldn't expect a fix to happen over night. Hopefully we can come up with something. RE: NDLR USB not recognized by iConnectivity MIDI4+ host - 0xF0 - 11-20-2020 Yep, I contacted them directly. They mentioned the chap previously handling this had left the firm but didn't transition the issue to anybody else. Hopefully they'll keep moving on it! RE: NDLR USB not recognized by iConnectivity MIDI4+ host - 0xF0 - 12-03-2020 Hey @Darryl, wondering if you all have seen any progress on this so far? Have you been able to send them a unit to debug with or anything? RE: NDLR USB not recognized by iConnectivity MIDI4+ host - Jesse Johannesen - 12-04-2020 (12-03-2020, 11:24 AM)0xF0 Wrote: Hey @Darryl, wondering if you all have seen any progress on this so far? Have you been able to send them a unit to debug with or anything?This is still a work in progress. We sent them detailed info and easy to follow instructions to configure a teensy microprocessor to show up identically via usb midi for their testing. I'll talk with Darryl later today and see if there's been any further word. Jesse RE: NDLR USB not recognized by iConnectivity MIDI4+ host - microbug - 12-06-2020 I ran into the same problem today. This is not an iconnectivity issue, since it does not work on the USB host ports of my Roland Fantom also. I am not that deep into USB programming, but there seems to be a difference in USB ID or type if either a computer or a embedded device with USB is connected. The NDLR works on all kinds of computers, even my old Powerbook G4 and my iPad without extra supply, but not on any standalone hardware with USB host port. There must be something in the Teensy USB library that is not configured for use with devices that only accept certain USB classes. I will check that with a friend of mine, who works on the Arduino MIDI library. RE: NDLR USB not recognized by iConnectivity MIDI4+ host - microbug - 12-07-2020 (12-04-2020, 09:08 AM)This is still a work in progress. We sent them detailed info and easy to follow instructions to configure a teensy microprocessor to show up identically via usb midi for their testing. I'll talk with Darryl later today and see if there's been any further word. Wrote: Jesse I investigated this a bit further and ran tdd, an USB descriptor tool. This shows that the NDLRs Teensy is not configured as it should be (wrong USB interface type/class). Here is the dump from the NDLR (i have marked missing and different information in red): Information for device NDLR (VID=0x16C0 PID=0x0489): Connection Information: ------------------------------ Device current bus speed: FullSpeed Device address: 0x0001 Current configuration value: 0x01 Number of open pipes: 5 Device Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x12 bLength 0x01 bDescriptorType 0x0110 bcdUSB 0x00 bDeviceClass 0x00 bDeviceSubClass 0x00 bDeviceProtocol 0x40 bMaxPacketSize0 (64 bytes) 0x16C0 idVendor 0x0489 idProduct 0x0211 bcdDevice 0x01 iManufacturer missing 0x02 iProduct missing 0x03 iSerialNumber 0x01 bNumConfigurations Configuration Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x02 bDescriptorType 0x00F5 wTotalLength (245 bytes) 0x03 bNumInterfaces 0x01 bConfigurationValue 0x00 iConfiguration 0xC0 bmAttributes (Self-powered Device) should be "Bus powered device" like on PCR300 0x32 bMaxPower (100 mA) Interface Association Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x08 bLength 0x0B bDescriptorType 0x00 bFirstInterface 0x02 bInterfaceCount 0x02 bFunctionClass (Communication Device Class) should be 0x01 "Audio Device Class" 0x02 bFunctionSubClass (Abstract Control Model - ACM) should be 0x01 "Audio Control Interface" 0x01 bFunctionProtocol (ITU-T V.250) should be 0x00 "Audio Protocol undefined" 0x04 iFunction Interface Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x04 bDescriptorType 0x00 bInterfaceNumber 0x00 bAlternateSetting 0x01 bNumEndPoints 0x02 bInterfaceClass (Communication Device Class) should be 0x01 "Audio Device Class" 0x02 bInterfaceSubClass (Abstract Control Model - ACM) should be 0x03 "MIDI Streaming Interface" 0x01 bInterfaceProtocol (ITU-T V.250) should be 0x00 "Audio Protocol undefined" 0x00 iInterface CDC Header Functional Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x05 bFunctionalLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x00 bDescriptorSubtype 0x0110 bcdCDC CDC Call Management Functional Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x05 bFunctionalLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x01 bDescriptorSubtype 0x01 bmCapabilities 0x01 bDataInterface CDC Abstract Control Management Functional Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x04 bFunctionalLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x02 bDescriptorSubtype 0x06 bmCapabilities CDC Union Functional Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x05 bFunctionalLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x06 bDescriptorSubtype 0x00 bControlInterface 0x01 bSubordinateInterface(0) Endpoint Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x07 bLength 0x05 bDescriptorType 0x81 bEndpointAddress (IN endpoint 1) 0x03 bmAttributes (Transfer: Interrupt / Synch: None / Usage: Data) 0x0010 wMaxPacketSize (1 x 16 bytes) 0x40 bInterval (64 frames) Interface Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x04 bDescriptorType 0x01 bInterfaceNumber 0x00 bAlternateSetting 0x02 bNumEndPoints 0x0A bInterfaceClass (CDC Data) 0x00 bInterfaceSubClass 0x00 bInterfaceProtocol 0x00 iInterface Endpoint Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x07 bLength 0x05 bDescriptorType 0x02 bEndpointAddress (OUT endpoint 2) 0x02 bmAttributes (Transfer: Bulk / Synch: None / Usage: Data) 0x0040 wMaxPacketSize (64 bytes) 0x00 bInterval Endpoint Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x07 bLength 0x05 bDescriptorType 0x83 bEndpointAddress (IN endpoint 3) 0x02 bmAttributes (Transfer: Bulk / Synch: None / Usage: Data) 0x0040 wMaxPacketSize (64 bytes) 0x00 bInterval Interface Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x04 bDescriptorType 0x02 bInterfaceNumber 0x00 bAlternateSetting 0x02 bNumEndPoints 0x01 bInterfaceClass (Audio Device Class) 0x03 bInterfaceSubClass (MIDI Streaming Interface) 0x00 bInterfaceProtocol (Audio Protocol undefined) 0x00 iInterface MS Interface Header Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x07 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x01 bDescriptorSubtype 0x0100 bcdMSC 0x007F wTotalLength (127 bytes) MS MIDI IN Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x06 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x02 bDescriptorSubtype 0x01 bJackType 0x01 bJackID 0x00 iJack MS MIDI IN Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x06 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x02 bDescriptorSubtype 0x02 bJackType 0x02 bJackID 0x00 iJack MS MIDI OUT Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x03 bDescriptorSubtype 0x01 bJackType 0x03 bJackID 0x01 bNrInputPins 0x02 baSourceID(1) 0x01 baSourcePin(1) 0x00 iJack MS MIDI OUT Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x03 bDescriptorSubtype 0x02 bJackType 0x04 bJackID 0x01 bNrInputPins 0x01 baSourceID(1) 0x01 baSourcePin(1) 0x00 iJack MS MIDI IN Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x06 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x02 bDescriptorSubtype 0x01 bJackType 0x05 bJackID 0x00 iJack MS MIDI IN Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x06 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x02 bDescriptorSubtype 0x02 bJackType 0x06 bJackID 0x00 iJack MS MIDI OUT Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x03 bDescriptorSubtype 0x01 bJackType 0x07 bJackID 0x01 bNrInputPins 0x06 baSourceID(1) 0x01 baSourcePin(1) 0x00 iJack MS MIDI OUT Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x03 bDescriptorSubtype 0x02 bJackType 0x08 bJackID 0x01 bNrInputPins 0x05 baSourceID(1) 0x01 baSourcePin(1) 0x00 iJack MS MIDI IN Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x06 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x02 bDescriptorSubtype 0x01 bJackType 0x09 bJackID 0x00 iJack MS MIDI IN Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x06 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x02 bDescriptorSubtype 0x02 bJackType 0x0A bJackID 0x00 iJack MS MIDI OUT Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x03 bDescriptorSubtype 0x01 bJackType 0x0B bJackID 0x01 bNrInputPins 0x0A baSourceID(1) 0x01 baSourcePin(1) 0x00 iJack MS MIDI OUT Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x03 bDescriptorSubtype 0x02 bJackType 0x0C bJackID 0x01 bNrInputPins 0x09 baSourceID(1) 0x01 baSourcePin(1) 0x00 iJack MS MIDI IN Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x06 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x02 bDescriptorSubtype 0x01 bJackType 0x0D bJackID 0x00 iJack MS MIDI IN Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x06 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x02 bDescriptorSubtype 0x02 bJackType 0x0E bJackID 0x00 iJack MS MIDI OUT Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x03 bDescriptorSubtype 0x01 bJackType 0x0F bJackID 0x01 bNrInputPins 0x0E baSourceID(1) 0x01 baSourcePin(1) 0x00 iJack MS MIDI OUT Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x03 bDescriptorSubtype 0x02 bJackType 0x10 bJackID 0x01 bNrInputPins 0x0D baSourceID(1) 0x01 baSourcePin(1) 0x00 iJack Endpoint Descriptor (Audio/MIDI 1.0): ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x05 bDescriptorType 0x05 bEndpointAddress (OUT endpoint 5) 0x02 bmAttributes (Transfer: Bulk / Synch: None / Usage: Data) 0x0040 wMaxPacketSize (64 bytes) 0x00 bInterval 0x00 bRefresh 0x00 bSynchAddress MS Bulk Data Endpoint Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x08 bLength 0x25 bDescriptorType 0x01 bDescriptorSubtype 0x04 bNumEmbMIDIJack 0x01 baAssocJackID(1) 0x05 baAssocJackID(2) 0x09 baAssocJackID(3) 0x0D baAssocJackID(4) Endpoint Descriptor (Audio/MIDI 1.0): ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x05 bDescriptorType 0x84 bEndpointAddress (IN endpoint 4) 0x02 bmAttributes (Transfer: Bulk / Synch: None / Usage: Data) 0x0040 wMaxPacketSize (64 bytes) 0x00 bInterval 0x00 bRefresh 0x00 bSynchAddress MS Bulk Data Endpoint Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x08 bLength 0x25 bDescriptorType 0x01 bDescriptorSubtype 0x04 bNumEmbMIDIJack 0x03 baAssocJackID(1) 0x07 baAssocJackID(2) 0x0B baAssocJackID(3) 0x0F baAssocJackID(4) Microsoft OS Descriptor is not available. Error code: 0x0000001F String Descriptor Table -------------------------------- Index LANGID String 0x00 0x0000 0x01 0x0000 "Teensyduino" 0x02 0x0000 "NDLR" 0x03 0x0000 "4294967295" 0x04 0x0000 Request failed with 0x0000001F something is wrong here ------------------------------ Here is the dump of the Novation Circuit: Information for device Circuit (VID=0x1235 PID=0x0079): Connection Information: ------------------------------ Device current bus speed: FullSpeed Device address: 0x0001 Current configuration value: 0x00 Number of open pipes: 0 Device Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x12 bLength 0x01 bDescriptorType 0x0200 bcdUSB 0x00 bDeviceClass 0x00 bDeviceSubClass 0x00 bDeviceProtocol 0x40 bMaxPacketSize0 (64 bytes) 0x1235 idVendor 0x0079 idProduct 0x0200 bcdDevice 0x01 iManufacturer "Focusrite A.E" 0x02 iProduct "Circuit" 0x03 iSerialNumber "V1.00" 0x01 bNumConfigurations Configuration Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x02 bDescriptorType 0x0074 wTotalLength (116 bytes) 0x02 bNumInterfaces 0x01 bConfigurationValue 0x00 iConfiguration 0xC0 bmAttributes (Self-powered Device) 0x32 bMaxPower (100 mA) Interface Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x04 bDescriptorType 0x00 bInterfaceNumber 0x00 bAlternateSetting 0x00 bNumEndPoints 0x01 bInterfaceClass (Audio Device Class) 0x01 bInterfaceSubClass (Audio Control Interface) 0x00 bInterfaceProtocol (Audio Protocol undefined) 0x02 iInterface "Circuit" AC Interface Header Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x01 bDescriptorSubtype 0x0100 bcdADC 0x0009 wTotalLength (9 bytes) 0x01 bInCollection 0x01 baInterfaceNr(1) Interface Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x04 bDescriptorType 0x01 bInterfaceNumber 0x00 bAlternateSetting 0x02 bNumEndPoints 0x01 bInterfaceClass (Audio Device Class) 0x03 bInterfaceSubClass (MIDI Streaming Interface) 0x00 bInterfaceProtocol (Audio Protocol undefined) 0x02 iInterface "Circuit" MS Interface Header Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x07 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x01 bDescriptorSubtype 0x0100 bcdMSC 0x0034 wTotalLength (52 bytes) MS MIDI IN Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x06 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x02 bDescriptorSubtype 0x01 bJackType 0x02 bJackID 0x00 iJack MS MIDI IN Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x06 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x02 bDescriptorSubtype 0x02 bJackType 0x03 bJackID 0x00 iJack MS MIDI OUT Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x03 bDescriptorSubtype 0x01 bJackType 0x04 bJackID 0x01 bNrInputPins 0x01 baSourceID(1) 0x01 baSourcePin(1) 0x00 iJack MS MIDI OUT Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x03 bDescriptorSubtype 0x02 bJackType 0x05 bJackID 0x01 bNrInputPins 0x01 baSourceID(1) 0x01 baSourcePin(1) 0x00 iJack MS Element Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x0F bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x04 bDescriptorSubtype 0x01 bElementID 0x02 bNrInputPins 0x02 baSourceID(1) 0x01 baSourcePin(1) 0x03 baSourceID(2) 0x01 baSourcePin(2) 0x02 bNrOutputPins 0x00 bInTerminalLink 0x00 bOutTerminalLink 0x01 bElCapsSize bmElementCaps: 0x03 0x02 iElement "Circuit" Endpoint Descriptor (Audio/MIDI 1.0): ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x05 bDescriptorType 0x01 bEndpointAddress (OUT endpoint 1) 0x02 bmAttributes (Transfer: Bulk / Synch: None / Usage: Data) 0x0040 wMaxPacketSize (64 bytes) 0x00 bInterval 0x00 bRefresh 0x00 bSynchAddress MS Bulk Data Endpoint Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x05 bLength 0x25 bDescriptorType 0x01 bDescriptorSubtype 0x01 bNumEmbMIDIJack 0x02 baAssocJackID(1) Endpoint Descriptor (Audio/MIDI 1.0): ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x05 bDescriptorType 0x81 bEndpointAddress (IN endpoint 1) 0x02 bmAttributes (Transfer: Bulk / Synch: None / Usage: Data) 0x0040 wMaxPacketSize (64 bytes) 0x00 bInterval 0x00 bRefresh 0x00 bSynchAddress MS Bulk Data Endpoint Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x05 bLength 0x25 bDescriptorType 0x01 bDescriptorSubtype 0x01 bNumEmbMIDIJack 0x04 baAssocJackID(1) Microsoft OS Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x0C bLength 0x03 bDescriptorType Hex dump: 0x0C 0x03 0x9C 0x00 0x7E 0x00 0x01 0x00 0x20 0x00 0x04 0x00 String Descriptor Table -------------------------------- Index LANGID String 0x00 0x0000 0x0409 0x01 0x0409 "Focusrite A.E" 0x02 0x0409 "Circuit" 0x03 0x0409 "V1.00" ------------------------------ And here the one from an Edirol PCR-300 MIDI Keyboard in Generic (Classcompliant) Mode: Information for device PCR (VID=0x0582 PID=0x00CE): Connection Information: ------------------------------ Device current bus speed: FullSpeed Device address: 0x0001 Current configuration value: 0x01 Number of open pipes: 2 Device Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x12 bLength 0x01 bDescriptorType 0x0110 bcdUSB 0x00 bDeviceClass 0x00 bDeviceSubClass 0x00 bDeviceProtocol 0x40 bMaxPacketSize0 (64 bytes) 0x0582 idVendor 0x00CE idProduct 0x0100 bcdDevice 0x01 iManufacturer "EDIROL" 0x02 iProduct "PCR" 0x00 iSerialNumber 0x01 bNumConfigurations Configuration Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x02 bDescriptorType 0x0095 wTotalLength (149 bytes) 0x02 bNumInterfaces 0x01 bConfigurationValue 0x00 iConfiguration 0x80 bmAttributes (Bus-powered Device) 0x96 bMaxPower (300 mA) Interface Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x04 bDescriptorType 0x00 bInterfaceNumber 0x00 bAlternateSetting 0x00 bNumEndPoints 0x01 bInterfaceClass (Audio Device Class) 0x01 bInterfaceSubClass (Audio Control Interface) 0x00 bInterfaceProtocol (Audio Protocol undefined) 0x00 iInterface AC Interface Header Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x01 bDescriptorSubtype 0x0100 bcdADC 0x0009 wTotalLength (9 bytes) 0x01 bInCollection 0x01 baInterfaceNr(1) Interface Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x04 bDescriptorType 0x01 bInterfaceNumber 0x00 bAlternateSetting 0x02 bNumEndPoints 0x01 bInterfaceClass (Audio Device Class) 0x03 bInterfaceSubClass (MIDI Streaming Interface) 0x00 bInterfaceProtocol (Audio Protocol undefined) 0x00 iInterface MS Interface Header Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x07 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x01 bDescriptorSubtype 0x0100 bcdMSC 0x0071 wTotalLength (113 bytes) MS MIDI IN Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x06 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x02 bDescriptorSubtype 0x01 bJackType 0x10 bJackID 0x00 iJack MS MIDI IN Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x06 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x02 bDescriptorSubtype 0x01 bJackType 0x11 bJackID 0x00 iJack MS MIDI IN Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x06 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x02 bDescriptorSubtype 0x02 bJackType 0x20 bJackID 0x00 iJack MS MIDI IN Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x06 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x02 bDescriptorSubtype 0x02 bJackType 0x21 bJackID 0x00 iJack MS MIDI IN Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x06 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x02 bDescriptorSubtype 0x02 bJackType 0x22 bJackID 0x00 iJack MS MIDI OUT Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x03 bDescriptorSubtype 0x01 bJackType 0x30 bJackID 0x01 bNrInputPins 0x20 baSourceID(1) 0x01 baSourcePin(1) 0x00 iJack MS MIDI OUT Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x03 bDescriptorSubtype 0x01 bJackType 0x31 bJackID 0x01 bNrInputPins 0x21 baSourceID(1) 0x01 baSourcePin(1) 0x00 iJack MS MIDI OUT Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x03 bDescriptorSubtype 0x01 bJackType 0x32 bJackID 0x01 bNrInputPins 0x22 baSourceID(1) 0x01 baSourcePin(1) 0x00 iJack MS MIDI OUT Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x03 bDescriptorSubtype 0x02 bJackType 0x40 bJackID 0x01 bNrInputPins 0x10 baSourceID(1) 0x01 baSourcePin(1) 0x00 iJack MS MIDI OUT Jack Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x24 bDescriptorType 0x03 bDescriptorSubtype 0x02 bJackType 0x41 bJackID 0x01 bNrInputPins 0x11 baSourceID(1) 0x01 baSourcePin(1) 0x00 iJack Endpoint Descriptor (Audio/MIDI 1.0): ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x05 bDescriptorType 0x01 bEndpointAddress (OUT endpoint 1) 0x02 bmAttributes (Transfer: Bulk / Synch: None / Usage: Data) 0x0040 wMaxPacketSize (64 bytes) 0x00 bInterval 0x00 bRefresh 0x00 bSynchAddress MS Bulk Data Endpoint Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x06 bLength 0x25 bDescriptorType 0x01 bDescriptorSubtype 0x02 bNumEmbMIDIJack 0x10 baAssocJackID(1) 0x11 baAssocJackID(2) Endpoint Descriptor (Audio/MIDI 1.0): ------------------------------ 0x09 bLength 0x05 bDescriptorType 0x82 bEndpointAddress (IN endpoint 2) 0x02 bmAttributes (Transfer: Bulk / Synch: None / Usage: Data) 0x0040 wMaxPacketSize (64 bytes) 0x00 bInterval 0x00 bRefresh 0x00 bSynchAddress MS Bulk Data Endpoint Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x07 bLength 0x25 bDescriptorType 0x01 bDescriptorSubtype 0x03 bNumEmbMIDIJack 0x30 baAssocJackID(1) 0x31 baAssocJackID(2) 0x32 baAssocJackID(3) Microsoft OS Descriptor: ------------------------------ 0x00 bLength 0x00 bDescriptorType Hex dump: String Descriptor Table -------------------------------- Index LANGID String 0x00 0x0000 0x0409 0x01 0x0409 "EDIROL" 0x02 0x0409 "PCR" ------------------------------ Sorry for the long posting. Hope this is of any help. Please note that a bootloader has its own descriptor data set, so it can be declared as mass storage or other class for uploading firmware etc. This is how several companies handle that. I can provoide bootloader USB readouts from my iConnectivity interfaces if these are of any interest. RE: NDLR USB not recognized by iConnectivity MIDI4+ host - Jesse Johannesen - 12-07-2020 (12-07-2020, 12:33 PM)microbug Wrote:(12-04-2020, 09:08 AM)This is still a work in progress. We sent them detailed info and easy to follow instructions to configure a teensy microprocessor to show up identically via usb midi for their testing. I'll talk with Darryl later today and see if there's been any further word. Wrote: Jesse Hey, this is really interesting, I will pass this data on to Steve and perhaps he will know what is going on here better than me. Hopefully this will be helpful. Thank you microbug! Jesse RE: NDLR USB not recognized by iConnectivity MIDI4+ host - 0xF0 - 12-08-2020 Actually, looking at that dump, my guess is that the use of the Interface Association Descriptor is what might be tripping up these embedded hosts. Per the spec (https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/iadclasscode_r10.pdf) : Quote:There exists a legacy issue for new devices that use the IAD (implying interface level binding to device drivers as opposed to device-level binding) when connected to systems where USB system software does not understand the IAD. Although the IAD will be ignored, the device may not work as expected because the USB system software will not properly bind the interfaces with drivers. (emphasis mine) I believe the reliance of the serial interface on this IAD is possibly the problem. The other interface coding actually looks correct (the device describes three interfaces, two of which are linked by the IAD and form the serial port, and the other interface is correctly describing a MIDI device. So, things the NDLR is probably doing wrong or problematically for embedded hosts: 1. Not specifying itself as powered (unlikely to be a major problem, but it is a bug). 2. The use of the IAD descriptor in the serial port implementation (CDC version 1.2, rather than 1.1.0 as the BCD USB encodes) is likely to trip up a LOT of older (Full-speed only) embedded libraries which use version 1.0 of the class compliance protocols. IMO this should be removed and replaced with a single-interface CDC 1.0-compliant serial port implementation. At worst, perhaps the IAD and CDC interfaces could be moved to the last two interfaces on the unit rather than the first two. This might give the MIDI interface parsers a chance to lock on correctly even if they abort parsing the rest of the descriptors. Worth a shot at least. Edit: I think that iConnectivity should absolutely be ignoring descriptors they don't handle, and continue parsing interfaces until they see a MIDI one, though. This doesn't excuse their part of this, but it does indicate why it's not all their fault - NDLR should easily be hostable by any embedded USB host out there that follows the 1.0 specs or later, and the fact that it isn't is, fundamentally a bug on the NDLR, not anything else. Fortunately it looks easily fixable, although the team might have to give up or re-implement their precious serial port (but you know my thoughts on that, too: use JTAG/SWD for developer debugging and forget serial ports for that purpose, and use Sysex for the API, poof problem solved and you'll probably save some flash too). Edit 2: Jesse, can you share with us the Teensy instructions you sent iConnectivity for building an identical-looking USB target device? I don't teensy but it might help some of those of us who do to do some parallel investigation. This is clearly an issue for a lot of your users here. RE: NDLR USB not recognized by iConnectivity MIDI4+ host - Jesse Johannesen - 12-10-2020 (12-08-2020, 10:10 PM)0xF0 Wrote: Actually, looking at that dump, my guess is that the use of the Interface Association Descriptor is what might be tripping up these embedded hosts. Per the spec (https://www.usb.org/sites/default/files/iadclasscode_r10.pdf) : Thank you for this detailed analysis, there is so much helpful data here, I don't even know where to begin. I will pass this along to Steve. I will also post the instructions we sent along to iConnectivity as soon as I dig them up. Jesse |